Collectors state the following regarding the WwMg/41 marking: Opinion on these stamps has differed over the years, but current thought is that the marks may be attributed to the waffenwerk depot at Magdeburg. Bild (picture) 102-00327A Foto: o .Ang. Pictured are three views of a fine example holster; view 1, view 2, view 3. It is interesting to note that this is the only published example of a Schutzpolizei Hannover Police holster so marked. 3 days Left DWM 1914 MILITARY UNIT MARKED LUGER SEMI-AUTO. That will teach me not to depend on my memory! The frame tells us that it was an artillery (200mm barrel) and has had the barrel replaced by Simson & Co., the only one authorized to build Lugers after the great war by the treaty of Versailles. The side cover and the left high edge has mild wear. Apparently, as to whether to modify the cleaning rod pouch/sleeve and or cover flap of a cut-back Artillery to Police holster to accommodate a Police cleaning rod is necessary, all depends on the availability multiple makers of used and unused WW1 Artillery holsters to different Artillery holster leather makers in 1920s Germany that were available to a host of leather craftsmen to be refurbished for Police use. Pictured is a brown leather 1929 dated Robert Larsen Berlin police holster with a Weimar era Sunburst K police inspection stamp and marked L.H. Rock Island Auctions has over 100 Lugers at their upcoming Premier Auction in May including carbines and artillery models and rare pistols meant for Persian, American, and Russian markets. Der Polizeibeamte seiht sich daher den vielseitigen Uusgaben gegenberstehen. Lugers and P38 Markings MarshalZhukov 4.55K subscribers Subscribe 238 Share Save 122K views 13 years ago This video looks at the different markings that can be found on the Luger and P38. Pictured is one such P08 police grip strap example, compared against variation 1 muzzle protector 2866, where no additional marks were added. This allows the cleaning of the barrel and receiver chamber without any damage to the barrel muzzle face or damaging contact to the breechblock face. The purpose of the added entrance leather section with a second brass stud to the cleaning rod pouch is therefore unclear, and without removing the original brass stud creates a second barrier to inserting the cleaning rod, however, there is no issue with the insertion of a navy, six ring wooden barrel handle, 5.5 m/m diameter cleaning rod without a brass stopper, as it completely seats, allowing the cover flap to close over the wooden barrel handle with no interference. The word itself 'HIPO' is a shortening in German of HIlfs-POlizei (i.e. Per Luger collectors the E/Mg10 marking is rarely encountered. All Luger pistols, produced by DWM after 1922 and until 1928(?) Muenchen (Munich procurement office), Wirtschaftsamt Pictured is a brown leather 1935 dated Robert Larsen Berlin police holster with a TP or Technische Polizeischule property stamp and P08 pistol issue number or serial number 7691;view 1, view 2 and view 3. In Berlin, the German Police screwed the barrels out and replaced them with 9 mm barrels. were issued to. subcommissions and left Germany during January 1927. It was one of 1,000 purchased by the U.S. It didn't really have to exactly comply or match others issued to a military unit preparing for battle. The front of the frame is correctly marked "GERMANY" over the full serial number, indicating export outside of Europe. revolutionaries. Opinion 3: I strongly believe what you have is a Heeres-Zeugamt produced holster. Shown is an apparently cold police officer in front of a Weimar era Polizeiwache or Police Station with the final, second pattern design police holster. 1920-1933: DWM Lugers. The subject pictured, aftermarket LOB Mndungsschoner or muzzle protector, stamped on the flat with P08 and a stick wing Nazi proof is a different variation from the ERMA stamped muzzle protector pictured on page 174, Figure 28b of Third Reich Lugers. German Police Unit Marks, 1920-1937. Nazi Lugers and their Accessories, by Jan C. Still, printed by I would guess that Simson was doing a lot of military sales in 1926, and since it was a commercial venture, DWM stepped in. Receiver proof, some reworked 1920 Police and Military Lugers 32. 19-172 text caption. back-side attached single, horizontal leather stock block strip and removing the center block. In fact, the majority of the pistols having a SN between 1v and 524v were produced and proofed in Berlin. Edward Tinker - Co-Author of Police Lugers & Simson Lugers - Veteran Bring Backs Vol 1-4. jeb111. regulations issued in 1920, and are shown in the following table. There is no Police tool in the holster. Also, recently in Strafrecht (Criminal Law) z. L. significant upheavals took place. Normally, as stated above, these cut-back artillery holsters utilized a toe plug, in this case the subject holster is about of an inch longer, allowing the leather smith enough materiel to fold over the toe opening, mostly conforming to the 1929 and later police holsters. The lower attachment of the left belt loop has been crudely reinforced with wire, probably while in service. the new police cleaning rod with brass stopper. Thus, unit marks give one some history about the items on which 46 of these got executed in the years 1946-50 by firing squadrons of the Danish police. This example is a very rare 1943 dated military contract piece in 9mm, one of just 300 produced that year. police cleaning rods, describes them as: Original links[6]='http://www.cashicollection.com'; The table of contents identifies the handling and operation of all pistols used by the German police in Dresden in 1946. Translated cover of The Police Pistols, Dresden manual. Pistols and Holsters. Pw.B. Serial number stamped on the back corner 9436. The metal finish is in very good condition. (motor transport seciont), Sonderwagenstaffel der Kraftfahrabteilung (armored vehicle squadron), Polizei-Reitschule (police equestrian school), Assigned to (May indicate manufacture or rework.) Additionally, it seems incongruous that a 1920s post WW1 manufacture brass stud was added or replaced when clearly period correct brass studs were available as attested by the added brass stud, while the apparent goal was to modify the cleaning rod pouch/sleeve and cover flap to accommodate a Police cleaning rod as the lower replaced brass stud would clearly interfere with the insertion of a Police cleaning rod. By signing up you agree to Guns.com's The breech is stamped 1920 and the center toggle has DWM monogram on it. Genuine German Luger - Largest Variety of Lugers Offered. Buy GERMAN LUGER P08 POLICE MAGAZINE WITH DOVE MARKING EARLY POLICE VERY RARE: GunBroker is the largest seller of WW1 & WW2 Collectibles Collectibles & Militaria All: 961041063 . Prussian Police (Schutzpolizei), 1922. Pictured is one such unique example. Best, Pat He who lives by the sword, should train with it frequently. Most of the Police guns in this range report an eagle/WaA66 acceptance stamp on the right receiver (this stamp is not reported before the, 13 Police reports indicate a complete WaA66 proof and inspection suite, with, The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo. $1,000. Pictured is a 4mm; excellent bore, 5'' barrel insert for Luger pistols chambered in .30 Luger (7.65mm Parabellum) with loading tool; view 1, view 2, view 3. The HZA stampings are described by Costanzo as being found on P.08 Lugers issued to security guards of military installations only, with no mention of the WaAJL16 being marked on P.08 style Police holsters. the two-piece muzzle protector assembly over the barrel sight band/blade, then influence of its police during the violence and disorder of the Weimar I am interested in the following symbols on the bottom side of the magazine, too. As an example, a major Luger dealer, who occasionally offers The base forms of the unit marks for this police force are contained in Thanks. of Stettin. There is no doubt as to what variation of Mndungsschoner or muzzle protector was used in conjunction with the new 1920s police cleaning rod with brass stopper with, at least, one Weimar era police station as evidenced in Weimar Lugers,1993 page 183, figure 47c by J. Estimated Price: $ 8,500 - $ 14,000 Price Realized: Outstanding World War II Nazi 1941 Dated Single Digit Serial Number 3y Mauser Banner Eagle/L Police Luger Semi-Automatic Pistol with Two Matching Magazines and 1941 Dated Police Holster Manufacturer: Mauser Model: P08 Type: Pistol Gauge: 9 mm Luger Barrel: 3 7/8 inch round Finish: blue I have another on the way with two more soon to be ordered, see, I originally was only going to acquire one luger to set off my axis collection. letters and numbers, and the information presented here addresses just Open Fullscreen Lot 3320: DWM Blank Chamber Police Luger Rig with Prussian Unit Markings Mauser Blank Chamber 1933 Police Sneak Luger Semi-Automatic Pistol Rig with Unit Markings, 1933 Dated Police Holster, and Extra Magazine Auction Date: December 11, 2022 Estimated Price: $ 2,000 - $ 3,000 Price Realized: Details Payment Terms Shipping S&W Walther PPK/s Review: Obsolete or Concealed Carry Gem? Der Mangel an einschlgigen Fachbchern ift oft betlagt worden. August Weiss confirms that these pistols were sold by Mauser to the German Police; this solves my problem. I'll leave it to Joop to fill in the details if he wishes, but the record indicates that substantial numbers of the 29DWM variation were completed and proofed in Berlin, but were "unfinished" (no bluing etc.) Pictured for comparison are examples 1 and 2. Pictured is a 1941 dated SCAMBACH & Co BERLIN brown leather police holster with an eagle over circled Nazi Swastika police inspection stamp; view 1, view 2, view 3 and view 4. Borchardt-Luger - produced 1895-1896. and Band II or Volume II published in 1921 Weimar Germany with the cover title: Das Lehrbuch fr die Polizeischulen or The textbook for the police schools. Pictured are a few examples: The holster was dyed black as evidenced on the holster body back panel original brown color. On the grip strap there are the markings L.Me.284. Regarding the completely intact magazine safety of 4559t, very few of these police Lugers survived as nearly all of these magazine safety assemblies were deactivated by cutting off the front end of the mechanism under a decree of May 1937. I think it's a P08 made by DWM ( Deutsche Waffen und Munitionsfabriken ). " by von thoma 07 May 2016, 02:26, Post Pictured is a similar aftermarket P08 and police stick-wing acceptance stamped muzzle protector disassembled. Zone railway police used an earlier, relatively obscure 7.65 m/m caliber, FN Model 1922 pistol. Pictured is a brown leather 1935 dated Robert Larsen Berlin police holster with an eagle over circled K police inspection stamp and P08 pistol issue number or serial number 7307; view 1, But when Nazi party came to power, and started preparation. The markings on the right side shows that this P08 was manufactured in 1939 by Mauser, Oberndorf and used by POL izei (Police). for WWII , Hitler ordered the production of Lugers. It is the Eagle/Mg10 stamping that requires explanation. OK, now I'm getting confused again! Tom answers that question and gives a detailed . Upcoming Auctions Auctions Near Me How Auctions Work | Help . Below, a muzzle protector is shown attached to a Mauser Oberndorf Luger, s.n. ad[5]='http://www.germandaggers.com/banners/wittmann.jpg'; He should work on the internal corsage, promote public security, order and tranquility and, above all, give every citizen the opportunity to fulfill his moral duty to exercise his intellectual and physical strength to the full. Mike, i don't think Joop is doing that? A round buckle for Officers ranks and a box buckle for NCOs ranks utilizing the Freistaat Preuen eagle and are believed to have been introduced in 1921 and were utilized until 1936. Signed & Numbered by both authors. It worked through various In the example 2 conversion, to a complete P.08 style holster, the rear, horizontal leather stock block was removed and twin belt loops were added, curiously, one wider than the other, which may be a later repair replacement. License and control of businesses; street lighting; control and upkeep of road surfaces; night watchmen; wells & water conduits; fire fighting; street begging; public health; passport, registration, and aliens' affairs; the Theater Police; the Market Police; servants office; embezzlement; control of gambling; the Morals Police; trade affairs; issue of hunting licenses; control of mentally ill and insane, and facilities for them; supervision of trucking matters; construction matters; and . The Police Lugers: German Police Lugers and Their Markings 1918-1958 book is in very low demand now as the rank for the book is 5,705,216 at the moment. The added belt loops are based on two other, more extensively converted artillery to police holsters discussed below. is the only publication that is very specific as to its use, unfortunately, Pictured is a brown leather 1937 dated Robert Larsen Berlin police holster with an eagle over circled B Nazi Swastika police inspection stamp; view 1 and view 2. An inspection of other pre-WW1 Artillery holster/stocks in the collection shows yet another shape/style and size of cleaning rod pouch/sleeve affixed brass stud. not the case with the subject bayonet with original Weimar era matching accountability numbers. Pictured is a similar aftermarket P08 and police stick-wing acceptance stamped muzzle protector disassembled. A remaining question: who changed the 7.65mm barrels into 9mm barrels? Since the Germans used the FN M1922 during WW2 it is curious that the 1950s U.S. These considerations must form the basis for the training of the police officer. state of Bavaria had the small arms issued to its members of the The right to believe is the right of those who don't know ". Eagle over 83 is the marking for the responsable acceptance office for Mauser (WaA83). The reworking ends in May 1921. SIG Sauer Tango MSR Optic Review: Your Value & Performance LPVO. 3 days Left DWM MODEL 1914 ARTILLERY LUGER SEMI-AUTO PISTOL. This is particularly believable as this holster was not for a primary combat activity. S.B.13.435 - Berlin unit 13 - Pistole s/n 9140e. Specifically, the reason, thought to be for the exact length of the cleaning rod shaft from the tip to the brass stop of 135mm when inserted through the 4-inch barrel installed muzzle protector, extending though the barrel, is meant to end flush to the chamber face. It is interesting that the well-known Luger dealer that sold the Sturgess cut-back LP.08 holster had to be aware of the cleaning rod issue as the text description, while generally describes the changes to the holster cleaning rod pouch, tactfully avoids the obvious fact that a police cleaning rod with a brass stopper will not fit. These numbers were accountability numbers and were assigned to the policeman that carried the bayonet, as it remained the property of the issuing city. As a matter of note the police cleaning rod could be used without the barrel attached muzzle protector. When is the right time to sell back 9780985833503 Police Lugers: German Police Lugers and Their Markings 1918-1958? The first 1920s Weimar era police Luger holster of new manufacture to be recognized as such is not manufacture marked is a black dyed leather, full cover flap with a holster body attached, pear-shaped up-strap secured to the cover flap without a keeper via the leather slit and brass stud method. German: Foreign Mfg. It is fortunate that both books stayed together since 1921 and were acquired as a set. 11-17-2022 12:57 PM by Pistol. Another NAZI era example being the Walther PP and PPK pistols pictured in Axis Pistols 1986 by J. empire and the Prussian constitution have already seen some important additions: further laws are expected in the near future. German firearms are loaded with a variety of markings and stamps. 12 - item 12 of the first centuria within command II in the This book contains English translations of the actual regulations issued police issue 7-inch No examples noted. Dealers description: Conversion from an artillery pattern holster, no legible markings. May be blued from 1923. Pistols and Holsters. Possibly post-WW2 East Germany DDR Police holster with an under-the-cover flap, ink stamped maker in three lines: Koffer- u. Lederwarghnfabrik ZeitzS.L.V.SaaleZeitz or Holster and Leather Goods Factory ZeitzS.L.V.SaaleZeitz. Additionally, pictured below are pages 94 and 95 of WOL showing an early supply poof E/HZa.JL.16, two army equipment depot proofs E/HZA.J.L.3 and HZA.JL.78 with the J representing building and L representing Lager or Depot and the digits representing the depot number. In actuality, both above statements are correct, as the first statement that a majority of the cut-back LP.08 holsters used by the police are without a police cleaning rod is accurate, however, in cannot be denied that some, at least one, in this instance, was modified (unsuccessfully), specifically to carry the police cleaning rod as evidenced the very rare subject example. Furthermore, later style, purportedly Magdeburg Depot rework Mg10 Stick Wing eagle stamps have been identified on the rear frame of P08 Lugers that are much smaller than the earlier and larger Weimar eagle style E/Mg10 stampings of the 41 dated WwMg/41 and E/Mg10 P08 holsters and of the subject Police holster. Still further states: Reportedly, muzzle protectors were issued with some Prussian State Police Lugers. Note, these two WaAJL16 holsters are in private collections and are not pictured or discussed in any prior Luger publications, except on Luger forum sites with the last mention of the WaAJL16 stampings being discussed in 2008. Condition:--not specified . Estimated Price: $ 5,500 - $ 7,500 Price Realized: Details Scarce German 1936, Dated S/42 Code Police Luger Semi-Automatic Pistol Rig with Two Matching Magazines and 1936 Dated Holster Manufacturer: Mauser Model: P08 Type: Pistol Gauge: 9 mm Luger Barrel: 3 7/8 inch round Finish: blue Grip: walnut checkered Stock: Item Views: 9264 "The Flag does not fly because of the wind that blows it. ----------------------------------------------------------- page 4 ----------------------------------------------------------. This is a standard 1934 Model gun designated by collectors as the '39 Mauser Police Banner that was ordered from Mauser for the Police use. ----------------------------------------------------------- page 6 ---------------------------------------------------------- 30. allow citizens to protect themselves from looters, armed gangs, and 19-130. rural police groups: The Einwohnerwehr was a paramilitary police force formed by The holster front is stamped L.Z.A. Figure 47c shows a table or bench with several Police Lugers and accessories and particularly interesting in the foreground is a muzzle protector, next to three training rounds. 33. All of this happened between 1912 and 1926. Prussian Eagle adorned clam shell device under the grip. 19-130 pictures a cut-back LP.08 holster with a text caption, specifically and unequivocally, stating that the holster cleaning rod sleeve was modified by addition of a wider top section and second stud to accommodate the long Police cleaning rod with soldered on travel stop i.e., if a police cleaning rod with brass stopper wont fit the original cleaning rod sleeve, what difference would it make, dimensionally, to extend the length and not the diameter of the holster body leather cleaning rod sleeve? This legitimate variation 1 muzzle protector, as of this writing, has been known of for more than 40 years, being the first published picture of a muzzle protector, appearing in Luger by J. Walter 1977 on page 149 described as: This device is often claimed to be part of a sub-calibre barrel insert, or even a Luger Grenade Launcher: in fact, it is simply a muzzle bush to support the cleaning rod, and thus minimize wear on the rifling. Luger Holsters & Their Accs., P137 Bahnschutz holster, M. Morris. As Dwight's database shows, most of the blank toggle Lugers have "t" and "u" serial number suffixes. It was I 1924 titled Verkehrsposten der Schutzpolizei or Traffic posts of the security police. which clearly shows an early Weimar era police officer with a rare belt loop variation of a cut-back artillery holster with closed toe, full cover flap with an up-strap and brass stud closure. by Igorak89 05 May 2016, 21:24, Post Goering kept them under control of the Luftwaffe Air Ministry while all other Werkschutz units were controlled by the Ordnungspolizei. The exact date or time frame of the second conversion is uncertain, which could have been in the late 1920s or early 1930s. Since the HZa used the WaAJt instead of the HZaJt stamp, I would suspect it was a new made item and not a reissued piece. stands for. 113-114 - A combination of new information and reconsideration leads me to believe that the Type 3 markings S.D.I, II, III, IV and VI represented the large Schupo commands in Essen, Wuppertal, Dsseldorf, Duisburg-Hamborn and Oberhausen, respectively. Regimental markings on a 1916 P08 Luger - Arms and other weapons - The Great War (1914-1918) Forum. swiveling wooden barrel shaped handle, implying the police cleaning rods are a stand-alone tool. 45aand German military and police units, one can sometimes derive some Thanks for the help. Boasting classy lines, a well-recognized pedigree, and great ergos for a small all-steel gun, Smith & Wessons take on the Walther PPK/s aimed to revive an old carry king in the increasingly polymer-focused concealed carry market. No tool pouch. Kommando der B. Landespolizei=Command of the B. The instruction manual is pictured and other interesting details are described in TBLAP, VIII, Chapter 19, Page 1297, Fig. Pictured are multiple views of the above mentioned 1908/13 Commercial-Army-Police P.08 Luger, s/n 69859. states the following regarding this variation. The fourth is a very early 3-digit, circa 1930 production DWM/Mauser commercial/Police Luger serial number 873V. ----------------------------------------------------------- page 3 ----------------------------------------------------------. TBLAP by Grtz/Sturgess, 2011 & 2012, VIII, on pages 1262-1264 and pictured on page 1262, Fig. - Kommando Nuernberg-Fuerth, berittene Abteilung, gun 5, W.K.S.5. Interestingly, this pistol was part of an early period, fancy wooden case, which included provisions for two spare magazines, cleaning rod, box of period ammunition and a loading tool. Any aluminium based or black plastic based magazine (without serial number) would be correct for this gun. The subject holster is the third such holster identified. Thread Tools: Display Modes It is also unlikely that any of the cut-back artillery holsters will be located with police markings as per TBLAP VIII, C19 page 1267 where it states: Modified army pattern holsters, whether of short LP.08 pattern originally, were not subject to formal inspection and marking upon conversion to the police pattern. Regarding the necessity to modify a cut-back Artillery to Police holster cleaning rod pouch/sleeve to accommodate a Police cleaning rod is questioned, as the 1915 P. Braunleder Cln cut-back Artillery to Police holster, as stated earlier, was acquired with a Police steel shaft cleaning rod with brass stopper, fully inserted in the original, unmodified cleaning rod pouch/sleeve, albeit a cover flap modified by adding a section of leather, allowing the cover flap to completely close over the seven ring wooden barrel Police cleaning rod handle. made LP.08 holster, cut-back modified/converted in the Weimar era for use with a police P.08, 4-inch barrel Luger. [5] The S. M. 1074 markings are crossed-out with an X punch and re-stamped, positioned perpendicular at the forward gripstrap toe with an added Ostsee property number O.1057. The bayonets are interesting, as most were produced during the 1920s during the Weimar period. Additionally, based on The first pictured example of a multiple conversion of an artillery to police holster conversion was done to a 1918 dated Dingeldey & Werres-Berlin artillery holster. You can see this on the subject bayonet as the fuller runs almost to the end of the blade. The E/WaAJL16 is, by all accounts to date, similar to, or a variation of, the acceptance stamp for Factory Guard/Werkschutz issue. German Small Arms Markings From Authentic Sources by J. As to whether it was used in that capacity is not known, however, does lend to the confusion if there was a muzzle protector, specifically made for the sole function to be used exclusively with the new brass stop police cleaning rod. In addition, the Guide provides guidance on wages and pension issues for the police. I own a u suffix luger with a blank toggle. Simson proofs. To the best of our knowledge, all the examples shown are original pre-1945 manufacture. The fourth is a very early 3-digit, circa 1930 production DWM/Mauser commercial/Police Luger serial number 873V. Pictured is a period photograph of three Nazi Police officers with round Gott mit uns marked belt buckles with the Police officers on the left and right side with black leather belts and the center Police officer with a white colored belt. Come join the discussion about the history, technology and extraordinary background associated with these design masterpieces. Five Complete Chapters covered by the book include: Chapt. There is one unusual barrel sight band/block/blade condition will not allow the attachment of the variation 2 muzzle protector to fit over the P.08 barrel. Hesse, Saxony, and others. Description. For more detailed information on the 1949 Police manual. When reworking the chap. 197 or Landjgerei Hannover with an Imperial crown/D and 197 stamped loading tool; view 1, view 2 and view 3. Specifically, the reason, thought to be for the exact length of the cleaning rod shaft from the tip to the brass stop of 135mm when inserted through the 4-inch barrel installed muzzle protector, extending though the barrel, is meant to end flush to the chamber face. by Poot 08 May 2016, 08:12, Post the 1915 P. Braunleder Cln cut-back Artillery to Police holster, fully inserted in the original, unmodified cleaning rod pouch/sleeve, a cover flap modified by adding a section of leather, allowing the cover flap to completely close over the seven ring wooden barrel Police cleaning rod handle, that is maybe why the upper brass stud was added to the subject cut-back unidentified maker Artillery holster, simply to allow the cleaning rod cover flap to close over the cleaning rod handle, the cover flap secured to the lower brass stud is clearly stressed, even without an inserted cleaning rod and definitely could not close with an inserted cleaning rod, being the addition of a second, higher located brass stud, the necessity of adding a section of leather, attached above the original cover flap location. German: Foreign Mfg. This would account for the Luftwaffe acceptance stamp. the transcription. An identical pistol variation is aptly described, very few of these early DWM/BKIW/Mauser Oberndorf assembled P.08s were made and. As always, I'm not responsible for any inaccuracies in the data, just for Not in the news1 million cops flawlessly protected you Life in the Third Reich & Weimar Republic, Kriegsmarine surface ships and Kriegsmarine in general, Luftwaffe air units and Luftwaffe in general, German Strategy & General German Military Discussion, NSDAP, other party organizations & Government, The Dieter Zinke Axis Biographical Research Section, The Ron Klages Panzer & other vehicles Section, Panzer & other vehicles - Photo threads, Axis Documents, Feldpost numbers, Postcards & Other Paper Items, The United Kingdom & its Empire and Commonwealth 1919-45, The Allies and the Neutral States in general, German Colonies and Overseas Expeditions, The end of the Ottoman Empire 1908-1923, Translation help: Breaking the Sound Barrier. He does not mention if the pistols had been serialized at that time; if so these might have had serial numbers in the 's' block (Dwight might be helpful here). Article created: Thursday, 25 January 2018 Poulin 2015 Auction, Bahnschutz holster, front view only, The 662V serial number described in the text caption was substituted with 873V. This statement appears to be somewhat contradicted, where earlier on page 1262 Fig. Inter-war Commercial Lugers (both rework and new manufacture); all Police models (both rework and new manufacture); and all Dutch and Finnish Lugers are of particular interest. The S.E.I. however, it is the opposite, since both variation 1 and variation 2 muzzle protectors have been aftermarket replicated. The blade was shortened from 17 inches to 13 inches. If one were to attempt to take a WW1 holster & bubba it up for profit. ----------------------------------------------------------- page 2 ----------------------------------------------------------. It is interesting to note however that no pistols having a blank toggle and the 'v' suffix have been reported so far. All Rights Reserved, Lugers! Pictured for comparison are two different examples of Artillery holster cleaning rod pouch/sleeve brass studs with demonstrably different shapes and sizes or dimensions. by Poot 06 May 2016, 07:54, Post Brown Shirts]) eventually joined the Nazi Party. Pictured is an identical holster in the collection and additionally pictured with a 1908/13 commercial/military/police, no chamber date Luger, serial number 69859 and a separate view of 69859 serialized in the hidden commercial style. These were finished and delivered by Mauser as stock on hand in the early '30s. Ulle diese Reuregelungen sind bei der Bearbeitung der zweiten Uuslage berudschtigt worden und haben in einigen Ubschnitten umsangreiche Uenderungen notwendig gemacht. 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